To Disciples of Tucker Carlson: You Are Entitled to Your Opinion; You Are Not Entitled to Pretend You Stand With the People of Ukraine

Imagine that your best friend’s husband just fell victim to a vicious murder.  You come to your friend, and here is what you say:

“I am very sorry your husband got murdered.  Please understand that I totally condemn the murderer.  He is an evil and sick individual.  I think he should rot in hell.  And I totally support you.  But I think you should know that your husband cheated on you 5 years ago.  And, in high school, he was a bully.  I am sorry to tell you, but he was not a nice person.  And come to think of it, your house is kind of dirty.  But I hope you get better soon, and I hope you find a much better man.  Have a nice day!”

Does that sound like supporting a friend?  If it does to you, I don’t want you as my friend.

To the disciples of Tucker Carlson, I can tell you this much: you don’t stand with the people of Ukraine.  You don’t speak for them. You are entitled to your arguments, but please don’t start them with: “I totally support you!”

Not if you think that when Ukraine is being bombed into the stone age, it’s a good time to “ask questions” or “discuss historical context.”  Not if your argument is “I totally condemn Putin, but…”  Your “but” completely negates “totally condemn.”

If you think it’s a good time to bad mouth a Ukrainian leader who is fighting to save his people, the people of Ukraine don’t want your support.  You didn’t elect him.  They did.  They consider him a hero for not leaving them to die when he had a chance.  You think you know better than they do.  You think he is a tyrant, or a Soros plant, or whatever.  You are entitled to your opinion.  But please, don’t start it with: “I support you, people of Ukraine!”  You don’t.

If you think that it’s a good time to point out the corruption in Ukraine, the people of Ukraine don’t want your support.   Is it more morally acceptable to kill children if their parents need to bribe someone to open a business or get a nice car?  Why is corruption in a country a relevant argument when it comes to discussing mass murder?

If you think that there is a mythical “globalist conspiracy to get us into another war” the people of Ukraine don’t want your support.  There is nobody in this country that is calling for a military confrontation with Putin.  Every sane person understands that NATO military involvement in Ukraine will create more problems than it solves.  It will lead to an enormous number of casualties (mostly Ukrainians) and it could very well lead to a nuclear confrontation.  Is there one person in the world that would benefit from that?

I understand that you believe Liz Cheney is plotting a military confrontation with Russia somewhere in Wyoming.  I guess that’s your argument.   She has not been very vocal about it, but it’s conceivable.  To make matters worse, she is probably in touch with George Soros.  Maybe they are writing letters to Joe Biden to get him to send US troops to Ukraine.  I guess.  Could happen.  But other than that, I did not hear any person of note – Republican or Democrat – calling for a military confrontation with Putin.  So, please don’t tell me you are acting “in good faith.”  You are blowing hot air.  You are pushing division based on a straw man that you built – not unlike Democrats pushing racist propaganda based on mythical “systemic racism.”

Of course, if Russia attacks a NATO country that would be entirely another matter.  Then US military would have to get involved.  Is that what you are protesting?  Are you calling for abandoning our NATO obligations?  Should we disband NATO to punish Liz Cheney?  I guess it’s a valid conversation to have.  But perhaps we could postpone it till this war is over?

I understand you are allowed to express an opinion. I understand that “asking questions” or “having an opinion about Ukraine” is not a defense of Putin (however, spreading his lies is.) You are right – it’s not. But you should know that your opinion is very ill-timed and not well-intentioned. It does not help the people of Ukraine. It’s hurtful and insulting. You are entitled to your opinion, but don’t start it with: “I stand with the people of Ukraine!” I can assure you: your “stand” doesn’t mean much.

I don’t know why everything in this country is now politicized, including mass murder. I don’t know why we can’t just simply condemn the murder of civilians (here is a good start) without following our condemnation with “but…”

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  1. Thankyou Tatyana for providing a perspective that illustrates through a pertinent analogy what has been going through my mind for some weeks now. when I consider the relativity of this conflict I feel your analogy is both relevant and telling. Ukraine is being murdered before the worlds eyes. That Ukraine may have had a fling and had some childhood episodes is not only totally uncalled for. it smacks of justification of the murder.
    Tatyana if I may offer an analogy of my own. The situation is almost akin to woman being raped. That the woman may have had some unpaid parking fines or was wearing a mini skirt, or was out on her own at night in no way sanctifies the rape. We all know that Ukraine’s transgressions in no way justifies the invasion. The rape analogy may prove distasteful to some but for me remains pertinent because in both cases we want the rapist AND Putin to Pull out!

  2. Interesting how you think you have firsthand knowledge and the inside scoop. I feel bad for the Ukrainian citizens but to put all my eggs in one basket and condemn Putin I believe is ridiculous too. Putin has done bad things in his past, but vulgar dancing actor Zelensky is suspect too. If the lamestream “news” pedo Joe, Hollyweird, and evil George Soros are backing Ukraine I will not go all in and follow their evil agenda because a narrative is being painted. DIdn’t anyone learn a thing from the “scientific” CoVid 19 scam?

  3. An interesting take.

    Your right, inflation at 40-year highs (even prior to the conflict), Covid mandates, culture wars tearing at the gut of America, and Biden polls at nearly all-time presidential lows. Presidents never push for war to cover domestic ills – it’s all coincidental.

    By the way, in your story above, the guy who murdered the husband just so happens to also have 6,000 nukes in his basement. Negotiations with a madman are not an option (Blinken and Lavrov have yet to talk since the invasion). But, as we go busting down the guy’s door to get him (Biden hints at regime change), let’s hope he doesn’t detonate them all in the process – he’s a madman after all.

  4. “Putin has done bad things in his past, but vulgar dancing actor Zelensky is suspect too. ” – that’s the kind of moral equivalence that’s coming from Tucker’s disciples, as I call them. Sure, Putin is killing women and children, but Zelensky is bad too – he is a horrible actor, and he just implemented the vax passport! Yeah, it’s the same. “Bad people on both sides.” Exactly what I am talking about.
    You don’t see it as the same thing as the left did to Trump supporters? They called us Nazis. Sure, Nazis killed millions. But Trump supporters are bad too – they like “don’t say gay” law, or they support the oil drilling, or whatever. It’s just as bad as Nazis!
    Moral equivalence is a horrible argument.

  5. The article throws down a gauntlet and takes the stance of you’re either for me or against me. It discourages curiosity, questions, even skepticism about Ukraine’s role in the war.

  6. And simply dismissing Zelensky’s war crimes and the fact that he has literal Nazis fighting on his side as ‘Tucker Carlson disciples’ is precisely the same kind of Bulverism that the left displays in writing off conservatives. The thinking is every bit as sloppy.

    I get we’ve been trained (conditioned is more like it) to see every issue as a binary choice-A or B. Reality is rarely that cut and dried and certainly not in this case, whatever spin is being put out by the international media.


  7. In the analogy used the husband’s murderer was not a mistress or mistress’s estranged husband.
    The murderer is a leader of a global nuclear power who waged war against a country whose government like his, is corrupt and also murdering their people…

    In your analogy those who offer support to the wife point out hubby’s flaws, If I understand your analogy, in an attempt to indicate the hubby deserved his fate and they sympathize with the murderer.
    But those pointing out factual issues that impact Zelensky’s current actions and free agency, and Putin’s current actions do not claim the Ukrainian people deserve to be attacked and killed by the Russian Military under Putin’s orders. Nor do they sympathize with the murderer.

    Sorry the analogy does not apply at all.

    No, not ALL Ukrainians support Zelensky. Actually at least some percent of the 2 million in East Ukraine do not. Ukraine has been plunged into a civil war since 2014 and you would be hard pressed to find a plurality on governance effectiveness across the entire region. And No, Zelensky’s acting and dancing in the past have no bearing on the fair critique of his being a corrupt politician who sanctioned his army to commit atrocities that killed civilians in Eastern Ukraine. He is not the first Ukrainian leader to do so. Yes, Putin has also given orders that commit the same in areas of Ukraine.

    “There is nobody in this country that is calling for a military confrontation with Putin. ”

    That is demonstrably not an accurate statement. Did you miss the President of the United States speeches the last 2 months leading up to war and since the invasion, including the most recent where he calls for a regime change in Russia. To feign that his rhetoric and all the other politicians and media talking – heads rhetoric is not an example of escalating tensions that both heightens the possibility of even more aggression from Putin, less negotiating a ceasefire, and increases chance of war with Russia is being in denial of reels of video you can sit down and watch. It is one ( not all) of the key factors Ukrainians are still dying in war waged by Putin. Zelensky’s actions to date leading up to the invasion and during is also having a negative outcome for peace. America’s gov. could have stopped this war on a dime before it started and every day since. Do you ever think about why they have not?

    I am not sure what you are watching, do you watch all of Tucker’s monologues or just snippets the media uses to attack him? Your characterization of what Tucker says is way off base.

    As Far as Liz Cheney…I have no clue why she was brought up in the article. But in general, Cheney is inextricably intertwined with Neocon policies and the industrial military complex and literally makes bank off of both. Again do not know why she was referenced in the article but Tucker correctly linked her as one of those pushing for war. Cheney is one of the loudest Neocons in DC! And yes. she has been beating the Russian – Ukraine – NATO war song of late.

    So if I understand you right – YOU get to determine what mine or others can express about this conflict and if it does not match up to your thinking – we do not stand with Ukraine?

    Respectfully-
    How is that any different than the fascist left who shut down free speech and implement cancel culture?

  8. “No, not ALL Ukrainians support Zelensky. Actually at least some percent of the 2 million in East Ukraine do not.”
    Since when does a leader of the country needs to be supported by ALL people? Every country has their own elections – Zelensky was legitimately elected (by a landslide, according to all sources). Of course not ALL Ukranians support him. What does that mean? He is a legitimately elected leader.

    “Did you miss the President of the United States speeches the last 2 months leading up to war and since the invasion, including the most recent where he calls for a regime change in Russia. ”
    Nobody is disputing that Biden is a moron. He wasn’t trying to “escalate” – he is just an idiot. It was one of the “gaffes” he is so infamous for. WH has been trying to clean it up for 2 days now. It was an unintentional gaffe, not a call for war – but of course it wasn’t helpful.

    “To feign that his rhetoric and all the other politicians and media heads rhetoric is not an example of escalating tensions that both heightens the possibility of even more aggression from Putin.”
    Again, you seem to think that Putin needs “escalation” for his aggression. That’s your opinion. I don’t hold that opinion. Putin is Hitler light. He will use ANYTHING if he wants more aggression. You can tweet a funny face at him and he’ll use it as a sign of “escalation.” That’s my opinion. You don’t have to agree with it, but ANYONE who knows him knows I am correct. Appeasement of Putin for fear of “escalation” or “provocation” will lead to the same result as appeasement of Hitler. We don’t learn from history.

    “YOU get to determine what mine or others can express about this conflict and if it does not match up to your thinking – we do not stand with Ukraine?”
    I don’t get to determine how you express an opinion. I said IT’S YOUR RIGHT. I just stated how Ukrainian people FEEL about it. You can say you “stand with them” – but they get to say if they accept it. Nor do I think it matters to most Americans who think “both sides are bad”, anyway. Most are concerned about America – and again, that’s their right. But it’s a misguided position, even for American interest.

    I wasn’t trying to shut down speech. I clearly said you have the right to hold any opinion you want, and I will be the last person to shut down ANY opinion. What I was saying is how other people FEEL about your opinion. You feel you support them, and it’s your right to feel that way. I am saying they don’t feel your support.

    Condemnation of mass murder can never be “qualified” with “but.” If you remember, we went to kick Saddam out of Kuwait, despite that Kuwait is not a “perfect” country. Nobody said: “Saddam is terrible, BUT Kuwait oppresses gay people and women.” Think about that. Today, we would hear that ALL DAY LONG.
    You condemn the mass murder, period. When mass murder stops, I will be the first one to join you discussing corruption in Ukraine, Zelesnky’s election, and how Kuwait oppresses women. When the bombs are being dropped on civilians, these arguments are simply irrelevant. My opinion.

  9. For clarification purposes- your paragraphs replies in numbers:

    1.The point made that not all Ukrainians support Zelensky was a response to this:

    “If you think it’s a good time to bad mouth a Ukrainian leader who is fighting to save his people, the people of Ukraine don’t want your support. You didn’t elect him. They did. They consider him a hero for not leaving them to die when he had a chance. You think you know better than they do.’
    Again not all Ukrainians view Zelensky as a hero. Twitter, Gab, YT, Bitchute, and Rumble have significant, certainly not majority, of citizens expressing their negative thoughts on the president, currently. No matter how much you desire to negate that a civil war has been raging in Ukraine for almost a decade and the people , like in the USA, are polarized resulting in a difference of opinions in the West from the East – it does not wash. Ukrainians are not united across the region.

    2. Biden is a cognitive mess no doubt, but he is not dictating anything much less foreign policy. And those who are have a clear US FP which has been in full view and demonstrably escalates tensions and throws gasoline on the fire. And no, Biden did not make a gaffe. A gaffe is an inconsequential political foot in mouth- NOT a world leader on the world stage alerting the 82nd airborne they are heading to Ukraine, stating US would use Chemical weapons in kind if Putin does, or declaring regime change daring a war with a paranoid leader with nukes. No, those are not gaffes those are impeachable historical events that could very well change the world and get more people killed.

    3. Again you used a straw man. There was no comment by me stating we should appease Putin. And factually, there is such a thing as this level of military response( aggression) verses an additional escalation. It was not a question of what Putin is capable of doing. My comment was based on the facts on the ground to date verses increased aggression or escalation. I shall be more concrete. Today many in Ukraine have power to heat homes and have lights. An escalation of aggression could change that fact. And I chose the least of the types of heightened frenzy of aggression which could result in massive devastation beyond where Ukraine is presently. Now, you may counter with he is capable and nothing we do or choose not to do or say will impact aggression , but I would counter with the fact Putin’s military has been less aggressive than they could be thus far and spared civilians and infrastructure to some degree. this does not justify the aggression to date either by pointing out what even the pentagon now admits. Again evidence that yes…there can be a change in aggression based on rhetoric or actions out of the West or even Zelensky. https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/23/pentagon-drops-truth-bombs-to-stave-off-war-with-russia/
    Again the goal must be de-escalation .

    4.”To the disciples of Tucker Carlson, I can tell you this much: you don’t stand with the people of Ukraine. You don’t speak for them. You are entitled to your arguments, but please don’t start them with: “I totally support you!”
    “But you should know that your opinion is very ill-timed and not well-intentioned. It does not help the people of Ukraine. It’s hurtful and insulting. You are entitled to your opinion, but don’t start it with: “I stand with the people of Ukraine!” I can assure you: your “stand” doesn’t mean much.’
    Those were your edicts in your article. And again, You do not speak for all Ukrainians. Like it or not , some are wanting liberation from Ukraine and even some feel making daft decisions that prolong this war and escalate it is the opposite of standing with them.

    5.I am certain your intent was not to appear as you were dictating right speech v wrong speech. All a reader can do in read what is written in an article and judge the content. Again you do not speak for all of “They” as pointed out in above comments.

    6. No one you call Tucker disciples , nor any of my comments or about condemning mass murder with a but. I truly grasp you feel strongly that it is in fact that way- but reality would dictate it is not. I feel , there is some disconnect when you are interpreting comments or things you are reading or hearing about this issue. You seem to think that the causations of how Ukraine ended up being invaded and controlled at present is entirely one man , named Putin. Sadly that is not accurate. So waiting till after the bombs stop falling is like being 14 and praying the baby never comes out after 9 months. No , No I get your point of view , Putin is a nutcase psychopath who is on a quest to rule the world so he invaded Ukraine and must be stopped. Oh , how much easier it would be for Ukrainians if that was just all it was. But unfortunately, Ukraine’s governments corruption is a huge part of the dilemma. Why do you think it is that the West did not 100% arm up that country before the invasion? After all Biden was on the world stage for 3 months screaming he is going to invade! Why do you think it is NATO countries are hardly stepping up to Zelensky’s requests now? I am very compassionate of your feelings on this issue for obvious heritage reasons but you are missing some of the big picture by clinging to the thought the big picture does not matter or can wait till after – after what exactly? Do you see Putin capitulating? Do you believe the media and Ukraine’s hype that Putin is losing this war?

    At some point reality has to take over here. Either the USA and NATO enter this war, which is not going to happen the way people think- it is happening now the way it is planned . They are using Ukraine as a proxy to slow walk this war and they do not give a heck about the suffering of Ukrainians. They will arm and train just enough to get more murdered but not enough to overcome Russian Troops. They will do this under the sick and false Foreign policy that they can sacrifice Ukraine and its citizens to collapse Russia and create a regime change from within. There are elements of the discussion threads you seem totally unaware of ….and act as if they are conspiracy of sorts. But they are actual congressional records and public documentation and not all Russian disinformation.

    The only path forward that is just for the Ukrainian people is to expose all the tentacles in play that have led them to this horrible cliff and have them clean up their gov. and that starts with “Rockstar” Zekensky and kick the US state dept. and NATO out of their country controlling their gov. the last decade and presently. Only then will so many East Ukrainians stop being brutalized, only then can they become players on the geopolitical stage that would produce effective arms and trade deals with the EU and USA. Only then can they choose their destiny. If not they will remain PREY. Do you dare thing who comes up behind Putin is peachy keen?

    All of that starts by pushing USA out of the negotiations and Zelensky to the table. A cease fire and a return to completion of a fair Mink II is necessary. Perhaps some partitioning of the country that is between Zelensky , his people( all including East Uk) and Putin.

    As long as anyone continues to ignore the players pulling the strings but claims a solution of ending mass murder is possible – I fear the bodies overflowing in graves.

    I am sorry , despite your feeling , I and others are standing with Ukraine by fighting for their true independence and freedoms. Stopping the bloodshed is paramount and will not happen if all one does is focuses on Putin is the anti -Christ, frankly it is counter productive. No one needs a reprimand on the moral character or culpability of Vlad. That is a given just as the sun will come up tomorrow.

    But many need one on the moral character and duplicity of the other players crucial to solving this tragedy.

  10. So agree, healthy debate is good for everyone. RWR is fortunate to have good writers who can present opportunities to have healthy open discussions on the issues.

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Written by Tatyana Larina

Tatyana Larina comes from my favorite work of poetry.  And that's the only time you'll see me quoting Wikipedia as a source.

I came to the US in 1991, lived in Bay Area for 30 years, and I have a Computer Science degree.  I worked in software industry for several years, later switching to a career of a full time mom, and I never looked back.  I am currently a resident of Florida.

In my younger days, I wasn’t a conservative. That is not to say that I was ever a liberal – I was not anything at all. I had no idea that there were such concepts as “conservative” and “liberal”. I did not pay attention to politics at all, and the most political knowledge you would get out of me would be who the US President was, and even for that you had to catch me on the right day.

My first introduction to politics was during the second Israeli intifada in 2002. Unspeakable violence erupted in Israel. Every day dozens of people were killed. Even though I didn’t follow politics, that deeply affected me. I felt sad, frustrated, and powerless. And one night, I happened to stumble on an MSNBC program called “Alan Keyes is making sense.” He was talking passionately about Israel and the violence, and he addressed my feelings very well.  Since that evening, I turned on Alan Keyes every night, and by his commentary he was able to take away some of the frustration and anger that I had. It was like a nightly therapy session.

Feeling intrigued after watching Alan Keyes, I wondered what else MSNBC had in store. I switched through the channels, and low and behold, I found Scarborough Country. Right off, Joe Scarborough wasn’t what he is today at all. He was a solid conservative (as I now understand), making common sense conservative points. I found him interesting and engaging. Opposing liberalism had not entered my mind at that time. I still didn’t know anything about liberalism. It was just the things he said sounded very common sense and worthwhile to me. Imagine that at some point, MSNBC had a conservative host on the air. Crazy times, ha?

Exploring my new political universe, I switched through more channels, and one night I found FOX. O’Reilly Factor was on. From the very first night, I was hooked. I abandoned Scarborough. O’Reilly was not just common sense – he was aggressive, and he was a fighter. He was Scarborough on steroids. He wasn’t just talking – he was taking on what he thought to be wrong and unjust. Ever since the first time, and until untimely end of Bill’s FOX career, I don’t think I ever missed one Factor.

For forming my political views, and my ability to formulate them, I have to give special credit to three people: Charles Krauthammer, Bill O’Reilly, and Greg Guttfeld.  To Charles - philosophy.  To Bill - realistic and pragmatic approach to politics.  To Greg - realization that a good joke will change more minds than a long lecture.

And for everything else, thanks to my family.

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